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2. Continued

I love that their necks get huge :lol:

I really don't like Larry. He is not a righteous man and I do not dig him.

I like Ray

JFC They took an eye away from Nick?

I always forget about Rita! I'm glad she was put in.

This episode I'm really pulling apart what happened in the book vs. what happened in the other mini series. I also forgot that Nadine had Joe in the book and the mini series changed that part to Lucy.

Where the hell is Ratman and the arcade? Jeez.

What's the point of the 3 armed rapists? Seriously, all it did was waste time and yeah I guess it made them get into the sewer which they wouldn't have been able to do anyways since lids weigh 80lbs and are very very loud. But anywho... this as kinda dumb I thought.
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I feel so far like this is trying to rush to the destination, not enjoy the journey -- and this book is all about the journey.
NAILED IT. Right fucking here. RIGHT. FUCKING. HERE.

I'm not exaggerating when I say Nick's on screen for maybe 5 or 6 minutes. He's a HUGE part of the book. GIANT. And when what happens happens, I honestly can't think of anyone watching this giving one shit. Which is fucked up because I distinctly remember that in the book. When he fucking SCREAMED and then what happened happened. I remember just taking a breath. It was that impactful.

Man, you nailed it. Damn. There's no journey at all. Now it really makes sense on why the series starts in Colorado instead of the kid leaving the base. Because that's now irrelevant. Everything already happened. We're all here, let's go fight Flagg.

It's funny, I think in the past I would have been so mad at you picking this apart, especially since I enjoyed it so much. Now I'm with you.* :lol:

It's really weird really liking something (and I did, I really liked this a lot) and being so able to just tear it apart. It's SO problematic the more I discuss it, and it's affecting none of my enjoyment or plans to purchase it.

Granted, there are some things I really like (Tom Cullen, that 18-wheeler scene that you might not have gotten to yet) and things that will grow on me with rewatches (ironically, Larry Underwood, because the actor is pretty good and likable). But I'm with you, the person who ultimately had final say in the final cut wasn't a fan. If you look at the original series by Mick Garris, it's obvious he knew the book and loved it. He kept in what he could, and made it all about the journey. It still bothers me they mashed up Nadine and Lucy, but what are you gonna do.

Maybe that's why I like this, warts and all. It's different enough to be new again, and I don't need the journey shown because my head fills it all in. That doesn't excuse the laziness by any stretch, and I'd rather it be more like the original series, but I'm okay with what we got.

Gonna admit, and I almost hate to do so, but new Tom Cullen is better than old Tom Cullen. And I think Harold is better this go around. And I still think Rat Woman was a very cool change (although it pisses me off that I only figured it out because I was looking at the credits; there should have been a scene like the one I Youtube-shared some posts back).


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What's the point of the 3 armed rapists? Seriously, all it did was waste time and yeah I guess it made them get into the sewer which they wouldn't have been able to do anyways since lids weigh 80lbs and are very very loud. But anywho... this as kinda dumb I thought.
Honestly, I didn't understand this change either. That tunnel crossing is legendary in the book. Weird.
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2. Continued again

I didn't mean to send that one previously :lol:

This is the 2nd time I'm writing this... I accidentally closed the browser window and I guess HORRORdan doesn't autosave, even though it's the 21st century.

Seriously though, a lot of Larry's story so far has been padding and time wasting.

All those rats in the sewer? They don't exist. Like they said, there's 8 million corpses above ground. The rats would be partying up top. They only hang in the sewer to be safe from humans.

I feel I'm a lot more well read on what actually happens during an apocalypse than the people who wrote this are. I'm not trying to brag, it's just frustrating. :shake:

I hate that Harold's having dreams, because they're also showing a lot of how he's being viewed differently now and is becoming the person he wanted to be. With the dreams though, there's no choice for him, which defeats all of that.

Heather Graham was the perfect Rita.

I don't know how I feel about flag. I like the actor, and I like that he's wearing the same damn clothes. I'm pretty sure I'll end up liking him though.

I really don't like Lloyd. :lol:

I think I don't like Flagg because this guy is pretty much playing him as he is in the book, vs. in the movie how that flag was always kind of a wink and a nod yeah I'm evil.

I would like to meet Flagg so I can tell him where and why all his plans fail. I think he'd appreciate that.

I'm laughing because the credits song is the rollerskates song, and I always associate that with Heather Graham banging Marky Mark in Boogie Nights, and I really want to know if that's why it's there because there is no other purpose I can find for it. :lol:
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Alien Redrum wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:42 am

I'm not exaggerating when I say Nick's on screen for maybe 5 or 6 minutes. He's a HUGE part of the book. GIANT. And when what happens happens, I honestly can't think of anyone watching this giving one shit. Which is fucked up because I distinctly remember that in the book. When he fucking SCREAMED and then what happened happened. I remember just taking a breath. It was that impactful.

Man, you nailed it. Damn. There's no journey at all. Now it really makes sense on why the series starts in Colorado instead of the kid leaving the base. Because that's now irrelevant. Everything already happened. We're all here, let's go fight Flagg.
Yeah, that's it exactly! They're already in Boulder, the journey's just a flashback. And yeah, when that happened to Nick that was a HUGE part in the book and the movie. That was an oh shit moment, which is difficult to pull off in a book.
Alien Redrum wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:42 am

It's funny, I think in the past I would have been so mad at you picking this apart, especially since I enjoyed it so much. Now I'm with you.* :lol:
The thing here is that I'm enjoying it. Yes, I'm sitting here and just doing a brain dump of items and opinions while lamenting about how things were better in my Stand and kids these days really don't get the Stand, not like we did. But overall, this is really good. I agree with what you're saying about enjoying it, but picking it apart. I do like it.

And like you said before, I'd love to talk to someone who is having this as their first experience with the story. A lot of things in here are reminiscent of Walking Dead to me. Sets, I guess. And maybe especially the title page graphic of Flagg standing on the RV that CBS is giving me. :lol:
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Alien Redrum wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:43 am
What's the point of the 3 armed rapists? Seriously, all it did was waste time and yeah I guess it made them get into the sewer which they wouldn't have been able to do anyways since lids weigh 80lbs and are very very loud. But anywho... this as kinda dumb I thought.
Honestly, I didn't understand this change either. That tunnel crossing is legendary in the book. Weird.
The only thing I could think of was budget. They could get fake sewers cheaper than a fake tunnel maybe. :lol:
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3.

Hopefully I won't keep deleting this one :lol: I hope you got all parts of the 2., the last one was posted after your messages. Okay...

Am I seriously to believe that Flagg is here because Nadine raised him with a Ouija board? WTF? This makes me want to quit.

Who the hell is Harold's weird bearded friend who wants Nadine and to start a drive in?

Where the hell is Glen and the Judge?

This guy is a better Harold. He really creeps me out. I miss Corin Nemec though. :(
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Okay, first, I'm SO GLAD you're watching it. I'm even happier you're like me; enjoying it but picking it apart. It's like hate watching but different. :lol:
Neon Maniac wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:49 am
I feel I'm a lot more well read on what actually happens during an apocalypse than the people who wrote this are. I'm not trying to brag, it's just frustrating. :shake:
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I hate that Harold's having dreams, because they're also showing a lot of how he's being viewed differently now and is becoming the person he wanted to be. With the dreams though, there's no choice for him, which defeats all of that.
This didn't bother me, mainly because I forgot he didn't have dreams. But him having dreams now is a copout. For the very reason you say.

Agreed on Heather Graham and Lloyd, for sure.
I don't know how I feel about flag. I like the actor, and I like that he's wearing the same damn clothes. I'm pretty sure I'll end up liking him though.

I think I don't like Flagg because this guy is pretty much playing him as he is in the book, vs. in the movie how that flag was always kind of a wink and a nod yeah I'm evil.
Try and remember that we need to circle back on this. It has to do with the final episode. I really like how they handled his smiley button though. I didn't see it, but is he wearing a "how's your pork?" button too?
I would like to meet Flagg so I can tell him where and why all his plans fail. I think he'd appreciate that.
I don't doubt that. I bet he would.
I'm laughing because the credits song is the rollerskates song, and I always associate that with Heather Graham banging Marky Mark in Boogie Nights, and I really want to know if that's why it's there because there is no other purpose I can find for it. :lol:
:lol: "I never take my skates off." :lol:
Am I seriously to believe that Flagg is here because Nadine raised him with a Ouija board? WTF? This makes me want to quit.
See, I dug that. I'm okay with the fact it implies he picked her from the beginning. It seems a little out of the blue in the book. Like..why her? But showing there's some weird history there, I'm cool with that. You still don't know why she's chosen, but you can see it's been that way since she was a kid.
Where the hell is Glen and the Judge?
Tether your expectations. :lol: I can't wait for you to get there.
This guy is a better Harold. He really creeps me out. I miss Corin Nemec though. :(
Has he tried to emulate anyone yet? Because that's perfect how they did that.
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3. Continued

Nick is a creepy guy.

I like how the millenials or gen z idiots who wrote this had to make it a bar fight instead of Nick just being picked on by hillbillies because they are hillbillies. This is just one more catalog entry into remakes where the idiot writer thinks there needs to be a "reason" for something to happen. They don't understand that life just happens. People are mean. Hillbillies will pick on some guy walking down the road because he's different and there's no other reason why it happens than wrong place and wrong time.

Okay, there's Glen and Kojak. Goddammit, I like Kinnear as Glen. :lol:

Here's the problem with Nick: There's really no other person who could've played him at the time than Rob Lowe. Nick was handsome and had charisma. He got by because people liked him so they'd take pity on him and help him out. That's why Rob Lowe Nick rocked the cocks out of socks. You know who can be a better Nick than Rob Lowe? Probably nobody. So, if Nick's going to be handsome and charismatic, it's not going to work. So make him creepy and weird and there ya go. If you doubt this theory, remember Rob fucked 15 year olds at the GOP con and nobody really cared and he didn't apologize. That's something only Nick Andros could pull off. Who could do that now and basically just shrug and say oops ya got me? and then go back to their regular life?

I like Tom Cullen.

Have they actually addressed who got Franny pregnant?

Seriously, Nick reminds me of the guy in Boardwalk Empire who's missing half his face. He creeps around like him and even dresses the same.

I see the casino carpet is the same carpet as the Overlook. Of course they had to do that. Millennials and Gen Z has at least 1 thing in common: They can't help themselves. JFC. A little on the nose, dillweeds.

Oh, now we're back to Nadine talking to Flagg through the ouija. Because again, fuckers need to have everything explained. The idea of a chaotic, no reason for anything happening bad guy is foreign and too frightening for them. They need to create a path where one doesn't exist. These writers have no clue who/what Flagg is, do they?

Do they really want me to believe that Harold and his bearded pal are dumping bodies without masks or gear? Yeah, right. I guess they don't have a sense of smell.
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Alien Redrum wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:43 am
Try and remember that we need to circle back on this. It has to do with the final episode. I really like how they handled his smiley button though. I didn't see it, but is he wearing a "how's your pork?" button too?

See, I dug that. I'm okay with the fact it implies he picked her from the beginning. It seems a little out of the blue in the book. Like..why her? But showing there's some weird history there, I'm cool with that. You still don't know why she's chosen, but you can see it's been that way since she was a kid.

Has he tried to emulate anyone yet? Because that's perfect how they did that.
I don't remember seeing it, just the smiley. I'll keep looking for it.

But that's not Flagg. He doesn't pick things from the beginning. He jumps into the fray and looks for the opportunity, and if there's no fray then he creates the chaos. That's the aspect that I think gets destroyed here with the Ouija. Flagg is never a planner, at least not a long term planner. And if he does appear to be a planner in something, or a controller, it's because he's got a scheme going somewhere else and that's his main scheme, but this side scheme is something that's going to feed into the main scheme and it has to be 100% correct and exact for it to work. Look at Gunslinger, he exists really just to fuck with the guy, for eternity, over and over again. As opposed to some of the Insomnia/Talisman related stories (sorry, those all get muddled to me) are where he's boots on the ground trying to make sure some plan happens correctly because it means more 'somewhere else'. Does that make sense? Maybe it's just me, because I essentially try to see Flagg in his entirety through out all the stories. I do like how the swede is playing him though.
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Neon Maniac wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:57 am I like how the millenials or gen z idiots who wrote this had to make it a bar fight instead of Nick just being picked on by hillbillies because they are hillbillies. This is just one more catalog entry into remakes where the idiot writer thinks there needs to be a "reason" for something to happen. They don't understand that life just happens. People are mean. Hillbillies will pick on some guy walking down the road because he's different and there's no other reason why it happens than wrong place and wrong time.
What really bothered me about this is...they should have left it as it was. It's FAR more powerful that they jumped him simply for walking. But here, they said, "This guy is an asshole and just needed a reason to fuck up Nick." No, fuck you. It's more powerful if HE DIDNT' NEED A REASON. Here, while clearly not justified, it still shows Nick doing something that caused it. (Not victim blaming, but I think you see what I mean here.) Honestly, what the fuck is so difficult about just having him get stomped for no reason. That shows these assholes are TRULY assholes and it means so much more when Nick releases them.
Okay, there's Glen and Kojak. Goddammit, I like Kinnear as Glen. :lol:


While I love the old guy in the first one, dare I say it, Kinnear knocks it out. He's better, and he gets better. And he's frustratingly not used enough.
Here's the problem with Nick: There's really no other person who could've played him at the time than Rob Lowe. Nick was handsome and had charisma. He got by because people liked him so they'd take pity on him and help him out. That's why Rob Lowe Nick rocked the cocks out of socks. You know who can be a better Nick than Rob Lowe? Probably nobody. So, if Nick's going to be handsome and charismatic, it's not going to work. So make him creepy and weird and there ya go. If you doubt this theory, remember Rob fucked 15 year olds at the GOP con and nobody really cared and he didn't apologize. That's something only Nick Andros could pull off. Who could do that now and basically just shrug and say oops ya got me? and then go back to their regular life?
Fair. Very fair. And I like Tom Cullen too.
Have they actually addressed who got Franny pregnant?
Don't wait for it, it's never mentioned.
Seriously, Nick reminds me of the guy in Boardwalk Empire who's missing half his face. He creeps around like him and even dresses the same.
Honestly, Nick is fucking pointless in this series. Absolutely pointless.
I see the casino carpet is the same carpet as the Overlook. Of course they had to do that. Millennials and Gen Z has at least 1 thing in common: They can't help themselves. JFC. A little on the nose, dillweeds.

Oh, now we're back to Nadine talking to Flagg through the ouija. Because again, fuckers need to have everything explained. The idea of a chaotic, no reason for anything happening bad guy is foreign and too frightening for them. They need to create a path where one doesn't exist. These writers have no clue who/what Flagg is, do they?
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Do they really want me to believe that Harold and his bearded pal are dumping bodies without masks or gear? Yeah, right. I guess they don't have a sense of smell.
Didn't Harold where like a full on gas mask or something in the book, and he was the only one, so the next day he didn't? I could be way off. Maybe it's my imagination.
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Alien Redrum wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:34 am
What really bothered me about this is...they should have left it as it was. It's FAR more powerful that they jumped him simply for walking. But here, they said, "This guy is an asshole and just needed a reason to fuck up Nick." No, fuck you. It's more powerful if HE DIDNT' NEED A REASON. Here, while clearly not justified, it still shows Nick doing something that caused it. (Not victim blaming, but I think you see what I mean here.) Honestly, what the fuck is so difficult about just having him get stomped for no reason. That shows these assholes are TRULY assholes and it means so much more when Nick releases them.
Yeah, exactly. This is what happens when you shield kids from things. They don't believe people do things just because. That weren't warned about the bad things, they weren't allowed to see those movies or shows. This is actually why I think as adults they now collectively seem to have a taste for true crime docs.
Alien Redrum wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:34 am While I love the old guy in the first one, dare I say it, Kinnear knocks it out. He's better, and he gets better. And he's frustratingly not used enough.
I think he does too. If I ever read the book again, I'm probably going to still imagine them all as the original cast :lol: but I think maybe Kinnear will take Ray Walston's place.
Alien Redrum wrote: Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:34 am
Didn't Harold where like a full on gas mask or something in the book, and he was the only one, so the next day he didn't? I could be way off. Maybe it's my imagination.
I don't think that was it, but there was something like that though. I forget what.
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That must be weird moving into someone's home and having all their pics and stuff there. I think I'd take down all the photos and personal things. Maybe throw them in the backyard.

Pretty sure you should cosplay Tom Cullen at some point.

At the small meeting in the living room Nick and Glen look like pirates. :lol:

I'm not sure if I like this town hall meeting better or the original. I think both were good but a little different. One thing I am liking about this show is in the original, the boulder people were very folksy to each other, which always came off as fake to me. But in this one that's not happening. I like it.

Here's the other thing about Nadine and the Ouija - in the story, she's a virgin. In the book, that was a big part of her weird character. Same in the movie. She wasn't saving herself for anyone, she just had no use for it. Nadine was a big ball of oddness. Here, she's a virgin because she's been saving herself for Flagg her entire life. It kills an interesting component of her character. This Nadine isn't really nuts at all. Nadine was fucking nuts. And Flag had latched onto her in the apocalypse mainly because she was the hottest virgin, and something special because she was an adult. These are components that are now made mundane.

The trucker they encounter... that whole scenario reminds me of something out of walking dead. For chrissakes, people aren't doing this shit. They're having dreams and anyone doing something like that would be Flagg's BFF.
I just can't. On so many levels.

AND JFC AGAIN! They were given snow patrol coats so that Harold would see the pamphlet about explosives... Because if you're a Millennial or Gen Z, you don't know how things work and can't figure shit out on your own, so you need stories that provide learning paths. They just couldn't believe that Harold would realize the county uses explosives, because they don't realize ALL counties have explosives. OMG DYNAMITE IS SCARY AND NOBODY EVER USES IT!!!!!!!!!! Fuck those bitches.

Yep, this movie is rushing to an end game. We don't meed Judge Farris until they pick her? And Tom Cullen has had all of 40 seconds of screen time. This is what you get when you have so far at least 2 rape scenes added just for apparent fun.

I did kind of like their encounter with Not Shawnee Smith better, but I wish it was Shawnee Smith. But they were taking a break in a warehouse of some sort? What? Is this more cheap locations?

Is that Stephen King in the bus ad for Hemingford Home?

Yeah, this show couldn't even get into a power station to show them turn on the lights. This is low budget all the way. And then they have low budget entertainment like Larry playing the national anthem. Because that's something black men do on electric guitars, right Jimi Hendrix? JFC.

Honestly, this episode is really difficult to watch. It's like my eyes are rolling so much that it's painful to keep watching.

Nadine just shot the weird friend. What? Why is the ski patrol in downtown Boulder? They'd be up on the mountain, especially if they were storing explosives. Why would their fake police be patrolling there? There's so much just to that scene that is WTF worthy.
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so the dam she's working at that in a bunch of movies about Las Vegas? It's not even really all that close to Las Vegas it's like a day trip. And apparently they couldn't even early get there because it's all fucking CGI and looks shitty. Was this made by people who used to make the Asylum movies? You know the ones that were fake copies of real movies? Because this is what I'm getting from this mini-series with garbage like that. "oh look here's some sub-basement with a bunch of pipes so we're going to make that into the Hoover Dam" wtf

I think their Casino set is actually an old cruise ship set. Definitely not a hotel or casino.

I didn't know that rat woman was Brad Dourif's daughter :lol:

So people are betting using things like ammo. Ammo would be all over the goddamn place there be no betting on it you'd be able to roll up into a shop and load up with as much ammo as you could carry. Now that I've written that maybe not. We've had an ammo shortage since our pandemic started because of hillbillies buying everything up so maybe you can't and maybe that makes sense now in the Stand. I still think they're pandemic happened a lot faster than ours did so I'm not giving up on that complaint yet.

Okay Vegas just kind of pisses me off. This Vegas was specifically talked about in the book and it was about how this was not going to be the Vegas that they had. Pflag has a shitload of rules, he sees each of these people as a resource for him to use. People weren't just hanging out partying people were working non-stop 14 hour shifts getting shit done for him. Especially weren't killing themselves in fights and gladiatorial tournaments because they were his resources and they were not to be treated that way. Do you remember the cop who was one of Flagg's people? I believe he was someone else who did not have dreams, but chose to be there on his own. This would not have been his town, his town was the fascist work city, not the drink and do drugs all day and fuck people in elevators publicly city. The whole thing about Vegas was they were evil but they were trying to make it look prim and proper. This is what drew a lot of people in. This is actually kind of like many of the Florida towns that love Trump too :lol:

is Rat Woman the Emcee? How do you get that from rat man? She's not good enough to shine fucking rat man's shoes.

I wonder if there is a reason that the desert camp scene Flagg lives at looks exactly the same as in the original. I think that's kind of neat.

I'm honestly not going to be happy until Flagg talks about how us truth-tellers just sort of hunker down. Furniture's for liars. On this I agree

Their walkie-talkies are driving me crazy. It's like they never heard of walkie talkies past World War II.

Notice how all the white women want favors from Larry?

So Larry won't have sex with her because of Joe? Did anyone tell Larry that Joe doesn't need to know that they had sex? That whole scene was all BS. -53 points from Hufflepuff

Harold is a weirdo

so the lights are on in Boulder and in Franny's house there are lamps on but there are also candles still. In the dining room where they're eating and in the kitchen there seem to be electric lights but walk out to the foyer and it's all candlepower again. How inconsistent can you be about something that major? This is seriously an asylum movie.

And of course they've got the only black guy breaking into people's houses. I guess it's just assumed that he knew how to do that.

Flagg's penthouse is a lot cooler in this one

why the hell would she give Tom Cullen a note? My eyes almost popped out of my head they were rolling so hard.

They don't even know when to use Don't Fear the Reaper. :mad:

this has all been voice to text by the way. If things don't make sense you need to figure it out yourself. Since you're not a millennial or gen z I bet you can do it

and nobody hunkered down because they're a truth-teller god dammit. They're getting rid of all the annoying stuff that actually makes this correct.
:facts:

Because AR doesn't take my posts seriously

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